notes from the web tv news workshop

this needs editing!!!!
thanks for help....
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Jermiah Foo
When unrest started lately in east timor, Asia 247 found a friend in east timor who could comment, used skype to build up story
Jerry asked a question, wait two secs for the person to answer to get clear sound, difficult but done, formatted for smaller screens
visuallly need to gradually get audience used to smaller screen
use various blogs, friendly blogs to encourage people to come and shoot video
eg in singapore during election where broadcasting was banned
community of bloggers then take and discuss the content
two content providers, one and half techies run 247
doing screenings, encouraging people to start shooting
offer training because sometimes people shoot sideways to get portrait perspective on image
to show people basics like this
they spend 7 hours a day watching stuff that comes in, and often sleep in office

Mj Kim
ohmynews now have ohmytv
get videos, problem is little popular input
different format, videos made by the full time staff
chamseasang is text based service but have video component
4 of them responsible for the video
have a film theatre too
and a space called open channel based on requests from people who send the videos
50% videos from people inside, 40% made by contributors??
another commercial service
pandora tv?
open space for contributors, not many serious contributions
mainly videos of dancing etc
precarious workers demanding regular status went on strike, and one person put a video of this on the space
several hundred negative replies to the video from people who hate the struggle
so participation not all good
korea has a different context, people used to good quality video on broadband
service now based on 480 resolution, from 320 previously
there are so many channels now that question is how to make link between broadcasters and users
another project...? make one hour programmes with four themes
ten people responsible for this, some funding for this
what about getting news from the big news people like reuters? no. just through activist contacts
how to link with existing projects...
formerly, independent film makers, video activists worked with the unions etc
or they worked in other organisations
[challenge is how to make link between differennt activiists.
what should be future structure of organisations
[11:40] zoeyoung: how to structure a basis for collaboration
[11:40] zoeyoung: chamseasang on net and rte, broadcast, can collaborate, each with flaws and benefits
[11:41] zoeyoung: ways to share and distribute content wider than in korea?
[11:41] zoeyoung: democracy now distro to 480 channels
[11:41] zoeyoung: started with footage activists sent in
[11:41] zoeyoung: centre of show is now amy goodman
[11:41] zoeyoung: strrong popular premise
[11:42] zoeyoung: two years ago there was a break, point to build network\
[11:42] zoeyoung: but democracy now bought access to reuters for 70,000 dollars
[11:42] zoeyoung: that money could have gone somewhere else
[11:43] zoeyoung: daily hour long news show couldn't rely on flaky activist stuff
[11:43] zoeyoung: but maybe with that money the activists would have been more reliable
[11:43] zoeyoung: democracy now has 30+ staff
[11:44] zoeyoung: for outreach, arranging travel ... not llooking for video activists as employees
[11:44] zoeyoung: rather a phd in history, content knowledgeable people
[11:44] zoeyoung: as producers etc
[11:44] zoeyoung: they want their news to be really accurate and contextualised in a larger history
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[11:45] zoeyoung: depth of understanding that is missing in other networks
[11:45] zoeyoung: sounds like in terms of getting footage, 247 sounds like they are going to people with no activist ties and getting their material
[11:46] zoeyoung: going from using stock content to using video activist material is question of what are you serving up to them.. maybe soon our networks wiill have material suitable to democracy now type shows
[11:46] zoeyoung: opportunity to get independent video into more established settings, but it has to be served up really wel, with license, searchability etc
[11:47] zoeyoung: jerry is paid, but not enough obviously
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[11:48] zoeyoung: a lot of people are afraid when they look at whhat 247 doing, not laughing matter
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[11:48] zoeyoung: literally lose life to this work
[11:48] zoeyoung: just got two interns though soi may change
[11:49] zoeyoung: when started covering malaysian something, peopl,e volunteered to shoot, but saw repression and didn;t g back
[11:49] zoeyoung: go back
[11:49] zoeyoung: when the going gets tough, volunteers stop producing
[11:49] zoeyoung: so have to train people to protect selves, and lead by example
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[11:49] zoeyoung: most of the time, 247 crew make material themselves.
[11:49] zoeyoung: one day maybe sell the footage to make money?
[11:50] zoeyoung: in korea activists also used to small money.. or promise of it at least
[11:50] zoeyoung: 500 people support the service
[11:50] zoeyoung: one financial structure.
[11:51] zoeyoung: in anothewr..???
[11:51] zoeyoung: two ways to approach sustainability.
[11:51] zoeyoung: how to make structure of public resources to support programmes for internet viideo... we have a supporting structure through foundations etc for broadcast
[11:52] zoeyoung: but this doesn;t exist for internet tv
[11:52] zoeyoung: one idea is too make a concept in oublic policy
[11:52] zoeyoung: that non profit videos should be supported with public money
[11:52] zoeyoung: another??>???
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[11:53] zoeyoung: rftv structure is broadcast, then give the money per minute fee
[11:53] zoeyoung: ???
[11:53] zoeyoung: good way of regular funding
[11:54] zoeyoung: in europe, people give time for free
[11:54] zoeyoung: or you have 'creative industries'
[11:54] zoeyoung: where goovt give money and call it regeneration
[11:54] zoeyoung: or you have industrialist/financier philanthropy eg soros, shuttleworth with ubuntu
[11:55] zoeyoung: people who work wiith mainstream might have footage they can share
[11:56] zoeyoung: eg dead priest footage, anonymous tape arriived, u-matic
[11:56] zoeyoung: whoevver shot it knew it would never get on tv
[11:56] zoeyoung: but a video activist could make something with it
[11:56] zoeyoung: el salvador priest murder
[11:57] zoeyoung: experiment wityh transmitter for video web...???
[11:58] zoeyoung: how to shaare this material.. is there any space to gather these contributions?
[11:58] zoeyoung: any experience with live transmissions on web?
[11:58] zoeyoung: 247, it is a problem
[11:59] zoeyoung: tried to transmit live at international events where broadband not available, tried compression etc
[11:59] zoeyoung: but 2 minute delayyed podcast works ok
[11:59] zoeyoung: question of what is actually news... in korea, have tried live broadcasting from big events eg mayyday two years ago
[12:00] zoeyoung: incident of police brutality, workers shot and distro videeo of this
[12:00] zoeyoung: police did their own edit, so workers did another... struggle between diffferent editions of the news
[12:01] zoeyoung: someone had prepared script for police producing video
[12:01] zoeyoung: also workers did their version
[12:02] zoeyoung: at mayday following the events above
[12:02] zoeyoung: when simultaneous struggle are on in differennt towns, live exchange of footage from the different demos
[12:03] zoeyoung: problem is hardware...only 300 people can view streams
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[12:04] zoeyoung: anoither example of live streaming news from geneva 2002 against g8
[12:04] zoeyoung: media lab, streaming using real server
[12:04] zoeyoung: only direct source of news in italy
[12:04] zoeyoung: people came to media lab from street, people commented live on the footage
[12:04] zoeyoung: streamed footage screened in local areas
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[12:05] zoeyoung: 2003-4, same thing using real player from demo in milano
[12:05] zoeyoung: again, only media coverage of the events
[12:05] zoeyoung: hoped that more people would take the stream from net to tv
[12:05] zoeyoung: but only a few telestreets did
[12:06] zoeyoung: government decided that malaysian people not mature enough to view parliamentary debates
[12:06] zoeyoung: offices
[12:06] zoeyoung: sorry
[12:06] zoeyoung: footage available in representatives' offices
[12:06] zoeyoung: so aim to sgtream th
[12:06] zoeyoung: this
[12:07] zoeyoung: parliament wouldn't allow 247 to take stream direct, so big interventiion, not sure how government will react
[12:08] zoeyoung: may telll them to leave the country
[12:08] zoeyoung: hope that mainstream news services would take candida footage from milano etc
[12:08] zoeyoung: or at least more telestreets would do so
[12:08] zoeyoung: only news 24 took the stream
[12:09] zoeyoung: last year, world tribunal on iraq, made an hour long show each night, hoping mainstream would take it
[12:09] zoeyoung: but didn;t have a good contact list to use it
[12:09] zoeyoung: deepdish started with good list of people who would downlink the material
[12:10] zoeyoung: if this kind of list was available... refined version of european broadcast union coould have been good
[12:10] zoeyoung: sympathetic contects only.
[12:10] zoeyoung: in the end only syria and egypt tv took tat feed.
[12:10] zoeyoung: that feed, sorry
[12:12] zoeyoung: one way to make content different, not conditioned by mainstream
[12:12] zoeyoung: democracy now remembers the heroes of the left
[12:12] zoeyoung: eg paolo freire, paul robeson
[12:12] zoeyoung: mainstream does this with nixon or reagan
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[12:19] zoeyoung_: so place to sustain culture of people with courage who resist.... eg june jordan got a whole show when shhe died. black poet
[12:19] zoeyoung_: last communist show, in Malaysia, banned because of the title. So planning a programme on the heroes, people who fought, aim to screen it on national day Private screenings by invite only can circumvent law against ….?
[12:19] zoeyoung_: Questions of content sharing, technologies
[12:19] zoeyoung_: Content and the target audience issue
[12:19] zoeyoung_: Ways of reaching a wider public… indymedia doing these things, open publishing on web…
[12:19] zoeyoung_: Usually, activist videos focus on struggle and violence that mainstream video don’t cover.. but sometimes this kind of content is not help… people who already support struggle are not interested, others don’t care….
[12:19] zoeyoung_: So in depth analysis? Parody?
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[12:19] BenUK: http://mashable.com/2006/02/02/dabble-delicious-for-video/
[12:20] zoeyoung_: frequent visitors to the siite.. ow to stimulate debate?
[12:21] zoeyoung_: union members, farmers;' organisations, ngos etc... not all of them are frequent visitors to the site,. so how to encourage them to visit site, not as official news service of their groups but as an independent service
[12:21] zoeyoung_: also how to reach people who would want to support movement but have bad information and encounters that put them off...
[12:22] zoeyoung_: layers of audience, what should be process of developing content for different audiences
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[12:22] zoeyoung_: in US, in 1999 indymedia put out sdomething very far ahead in terms oif participatory media
[12:22] zoeyoung_: then weblogs arrived and shot past imc in terms of popularity
[12:23] zoeyoung_: weblogs can be distinguished from imc as more personal, where imc more like a 'newspaper'
[12:23] zoeyoung_: blogs v personal, can create community
[12:24] zoeyoung_: one problem with imc style is someone decides to go for alt media whereas weblogs you can come to for more personal, diverse reasons
[12:24] zoeyoung_: then there is a way to reach people with protest footage, people who maybe didn;t choose to look for that
[12:25] zoeyoung_: person who runs blog is tyrant,
[12:25] zoeyoung_: independent media shouldn't be afraid to be personal, little tyrant within the open space
[12:25] zoeyoung_: keep experimenting to see how you can push material
[12:25] zoeyoung_: ???
[12:26] zoeyoung_: aggregating individuals under an umbrella, reaching across boundaries between activists and non activists...
[12:27] zoeyoung_: reaching people who either do and don;t choose to watch footage of cops whacking kids...
[12:27] zoeyoung_: social networking sites now v full featured and cool,
[12:28] zoeyoung_: need to think about how easy it is to integrate your material with this world
[12:28] zoeyoung_: in korea, doing this already, strong culture of user comment
[12:28] zoeyoung_: also jimbonet abroad
[12:29] zoeyoung_: info flying around
[12:29] BenUK: Found some interesting articles on meta data for multi media
[12:29] BenUK: http://bitzi.com/about/metadata
[12:30] zoeyoung_: cool ben, hey techies are you getting onto these suggestions
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[12:30] zoeyoung_: activist videos too much about violence etc
[12:30] zoeyoung_: have to show alternative ways of behaving
[12:31] zoeyoung_: question for koreans too....
[12:31] zoeyoung_: need to link with indepth analysis
[12:31] zoeyoung_: sorry that only violent videos worked technically in the korean presentation
[12:31] zoeyoung_: there was material that explained context of the demo etc
[12:34] zoeyoung_: not easy to produce background issues
[12:34] zoeyoung_: when focusing on frontlines
[12:34] zoeyoung_: hence importance of portals like www.ifiwatch.tv
[12:34] zoeyoung_: and linkability through net to background, diverse material
[12:35] zoeyoung_: people feel compelled to watch violence, some like it, some not
[12:35] zoeyoung_: question of popularity of efforts...
[12:36] zoeyoung_: violence questions... i'm lost and tired.
[12:36] zoeyoung_: hey techies - let's talk metadata standards!!!!!!!!
[12:37] bryanesque: i'd like to hear more about the soma meta data standard being used by mick and oneworld.
[12:38] zoeyoung_: more notes... assumption of preaching to choirboys
[12:39] zoeyoung_: how to get material spiced up...
[12:39] zoeyoung_: looked for koreans in malaysia to spice up reports from korea
[12:39] zoeyoung_: language is huge barier
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[12:39] BenUK: social software and meta data - that's where we need to be looking i think
[12:39] zoeyoung_: difference and contexts of demos in different places...
[12:40] BenUK: needs coffee
[12:40] zoeyoung_: me tooooooooooooo
[12:40] bryanesque: no coffee left fyi
[12:40] zoeyoung_: NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
[12:40] zoeyoung_: let's get more...
[12:41] zoeyoung_: or how about juice???
[12:41] zoeyoung_: something wet and lovely......
[12:41] zoeyoung_: and non interweb based
[12:42] BenUK: http://www.dabble.com/beta/intro/splash?destination=mymedia
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[12:42] BenUK: needs liquid
[12:42] zoeyoung_: social software, metadata, APIs.. translation faciilitation.... what more do we need to actually talk about today?\
[12:43] BenUK: At Dabble we aim to be the most comprehensive search and remix community on the planet. We love video and we want to make it easy for beginners and experts to organize, search, tag, describe, promote, and remix media.
[12:43] zoeyoung_: the rest is just more blah, background, perspectives, talking about our projects,,, which are all good
[12:43] zoeyoung_: ok who are dabble?
[12:43] bryanesque: dabble is marry hodder
[12:44] BenUK: some new .com startup i guess. several similar projects
[12:44] bryanesque: big blogger in the states
[12:44] BenUK: but all share the same idea and it's the idea we are trying to evolve, convergence
[12:44] zoeyoung_: CONVERGICATE! CONVERGICATE!
[12:45] BenUK: single shared data, describing media content, user controlled
[12:45] zoeyoung_: I guess the issue is that we have all this me
[12:45] zoeyoung_: material between us
[12:45] zoeyoung_: and can work out how to feed it through to each other
[12:46] zoeyoung_: then how to package it? issue based portals like 247 is a regional portal?
[12:46] zoeyoung_: video blogging conf happening in san fran this week
[12:46] BenUK: different portals or vortals sharing common data base/content
[12:47] zoeyoung_: i think we have pilot models of each with 247 and ifiwatch.tv
[12:47] bryanesque: http://vloggercon.com/welcome/
[12:48] zoeyoung_: what is mj kim talking about now?
[12:48] zoeyoung_: training courses for women, homeless etc to do video?
[12:48] zoeyoung_: building continuous link with services like chamseasan?
[12:48] zoeyoung_: bringing new people to it etc...
[12:49] zoeyoung_: a lot of indymedia about being in a place together....
[12:50] zoeyoung_: good to link up with communities of artists, a lot of them are very sensitive to the matters we are talking about
[12:50] zoeyoung_: but the context they work in is often very different
[12:50] zoeyoung_: products can be very beautiful,
[12:51] zoeyoung_: continuity is important
[12:51] zoeyoung_: if you want people to act, you have to maintain the connection, not leave them in lurch
[12:51] zoeyoung_: plan for reality checks, go back to issues and see what happened
[12:52] zoeyoung_: what keeps happening
[12:52] zoeyoung_: some continuity - go back every six months to talk to insiders
[12:53] zoeyoung_: provide the background for news as appears in imc, 247
[12:53] zoeyoung_: news doesn;t have to be rushed
[12:53] zoeyoung_: sometimes the news spend days speculating when a big story coming, waste time that could be looking into background
[12:54] zoeyoung_: news that develops over time is not so 'entertaining'
[12:54] zoeyoung_: violence dressedup as entertainment, titillation, latest news, is popular
[12:54] zoeyoung_: but as part of ongoing struggles, history making, violence is not popular
[12:55] zoeyoung_: people can say the news could be better,
[12:55] zoeyoung_: if we put together something that helps people understand the world better, then it's good and useful
[12:55] zoeyoung_: balances to make between reaching and informing people, can do both in different ways
[12:56] zoeyoung_: important area of content that can be popular is critique of mainstream news
[people like to have these handles; 400 shows from paper tiger
each one looking at a different publication or show eg a feminist looking at cosmo
who you pick, can be very engaging model of programming
those programmes are still useful today

can go and occupy other news sites... except they are moderated

making heavy issues available to people not ready for them, humour is good

'bridge leaper'

suggestion - eg with gulf war, how it ended. the real news didn't get out - could do retrospective analysis of where the news failed

surely that is'nt accidental
that is the news WORKING
that is THEIR NEWS SERVICE DOING ITS JOB

talk about truth, talk about where truth is hidden for whatever reason...

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